Hunting carbine tiger 308. Self-loading carbine "Tiger" based on SVD
The Tiger carbine, reviews of hunters and owners of which indicate its reliability, is a descendant of the Dragunov rifle. It was adopted by the Soviet army in 1960. The design of the weapon turned out to be so successful that its modifications are still used all over the world, and in China the rifle was copied exactly, but under a different name.
The Tiger is a civilian adaptation of the SVD. Despite its modest shooting qualities, compared to its military counterparts, the weapon is distinguished by its ease of maintenance and reliable operation of all mechanisms. A self-loading rifle operates on the principle of using powder gases from the barrel.
Description
The Tiger carbine (reviews from hunters and owners confirm this) is an adapted interpretation for civilian use of the SVD rifle (caliber 7.62/54 chambered for Mosin with a case equipped with a bottom welt). During the revision process, the barrel, in which a ballistic mark was made, was shortened, and the magazine capacity was reduced to five charges. In addition, the bayonet fixation bracket was removed and a flame arrester brake was provided. The weapon is designed for hunting large animals. The fire is carried out mainly from storehouses or ambushes.
Modifications
The domestic Tiger carbine, reviews of which from hunters and owners are mostly positive, was manufactured according to special orders in the 90s of the last century. The first models were equipped with an orthopedic buttstock made of wood without a butt plate and plastic pads. Later versions began to be equipped with a shock-absorbing nape. During production, several versions were developed. Among them:
- Version No. 1. This option is adapted to foreign standards. On the left side of the receiver there is a rail for installing tactical accessories. The butt is made in the form of a shoulder rest with a pair of metal pipes. The upper element is equipped with a swivel cushion, and a shock-absorbing polyamide butt pad is provided. The pistol-type handle has an almost vertical configuration, the forend is equipped with horizontal slots for exhaust gases to escape. The long flash hider effectively reduces recoil, the trigger is moved back, some changes have been made to
- Model No. 2 is a carbine with a folding metal frame stock with a rotating cheek pad. The release mechanism is blocked when folding the stock.
- Execution No. 3. Modification for offhand shooting. The stock and butt are made of solid wood; there is a recess on the neck for easy grip.
- No. 5 - the most similar copy to the original SVD. Additionally, it is possible to install an extended barrel with an adjustable gas engine. The design also includes an orthopedic stock made of laminated wood and a short conical flash suppressor.
Carbine "Tiger" (7x62x54): reviews and characteristics
As evidenced by user feedback, the weapon in question fully complies with the parameters specified in the technical data sheet. Specifications:
- Type - self-loading carbine with gas engine.
- Caliber - 7.62 mm.
- The standard barrel length is 53 cm.
- Magazine capacity - 5 charges.
- Total length - 109 cm.
- Weight - 3.9 kg.
Design Features
Reviews from hunters and owners of the Tiger carbine indicate some design features. Among them:
- Chrome-plated barrel with a ballistic mark in the chamber section. A pair of trapezoidal rifling has a width of 4.55 mm, and the second analogue is 5.05 mm. A short conical flame arrester is mounted at the end of the barrel.
- Direct-acting bolt with a rotating cylinder with three lugs. Spring striker without protrusions behind the mechanism mirror.
- Non-adjustable trigger device with a mechanical safety blocking the movement of the bolt frame and sear.
- A metal clip with a capacity of five charges arranged in two rows. The latch is located at the rear of the hopper.
- The sighting mechanism includes a rear sight with a distance ruler and a front sight on a bracket. A pair of strips are provided for mounting additional optics. The receiver itself is made by milling.
Pros
Reviews from owners about the Tiger carbine indicate a number of advantages and disadvantages of this weapon. Let's start with the pros:
- A proven and reliable design, which is a hybrid of an SVD and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
- The Dragunov rifle was not a sniper modification, but served to support a motorized rifle platoon at a distance of up to 1.5 kilometers. This makes it easier to convert the carbine into a civilian version.
- The pads on the butt are convenient for shooting from a rest with the use of additional optics.
- 7.62x54 charges are designed to destroy enemy personnel and have a high range and flat trajectory.
- The variation, adapted for export, is equipped with a spring-loaded firing pin, the edge of which is masked in the shutter mirror.
Flaws
As reviews of the Tiger carbine (7.62 x54) show, it has certain disadvantages, namely:
- There are frequent cases where weapons with an unregulated gas engine malfunctioned when dropped into sand, water or mud.
- Reducing the barrel length did not improve accuracy or accuracy. This parameter was also affected by different rifling widths. This is done to identify a bullet fired from a civilian weapon.
- The rubber buttplate of the buttstock hardens in the cold, which causes the charge to hit slightly higher than the target.
- The bullets have insufficient stopping power, and picking up wounded large game is quite dangerous.
- Due to the massive bolt frame, it is possible that sensitive primers will trigger when the barrel is partially locked.
Operating principle
The Tiger carbine (hunters' reviews of it are given below) operates on the principle of a gas engine. When firing, part of the excess powder enters a special chamber from the barrel channel. The gases push the piston, which drives the rod and spring, which rests against the frame.
The bolt moves back, the cylinder rotates and comes out of the grip with thrust elements on the breech. Further movement provokes the ejection of the spent cartridge case from the barrel, the spring of the return mechanism is compressed, and the firing pin is cocked. When moving forward, the bolt removes the charge from the clip and sends it into the chamber, locking the barrel channel.
To load this weapon, you need to remove the magazine from the hopper by pressing the latch, which is located between it and the trigger guard. Ammunition is placed in a checkerboard pattern. The magazine is inserted into place, the carbine is removed from the safety using the long lever on the right side of the receiver. It goes all the way down.
To fire a shot, pull the bolt carrier back and release. The weapon can be put on safety with a charge in the chamber. Having fired the last ammunition, the bolt frame is placed on hold in the rearmost position. To return, remove the magazine or slightly pull the lever back and then release it.
Carbine "Tiger-308": reviews from owners
Users note that with an optical sight, this weapon can freely hit targets at a distance of up to 800 meters. Is there any clustering? equal to 3 MOA units. Direct accurate shot using only the rear sight and front sight - 300 meters. The owners are completely satisfied with the build quality, reliability and price of the unit. The cost of one unit ranges from 56 to 70 thousand rubles. Disadvantages include strong and sharp recoil, a short flash hider sometimes blinds, and orthopedic butts are inconvenient for hand-held firing.
The weapon is delivered in a cardboard box, pre-placed in a sealed plastic bag. Also included in the kit is a cleaning brush, wiper, bushing, firing pin spring, oiler, cleaning rod, technical data sheet and instructions for use.
Partial disassembly
For major cleaning or repairs, you will need to disassemble the carbine. It is done as follows:
- The magazine is removed, the bolt frame is distorted, and a control release is performed.
- Press the short lever on the left side of the butt plate.
- Remove the receiver cover and remove the return spring from the frame.
- Slide the bolt back, lift it by the edge, and remove it from the barrel box along with the larva.
- By turning the inner part clockwise, remove it.
- The fuse lever is removed after disconnecting it from the sear.
- The trigger mechanism is removed as an assembly.
- The lever on the front edge of the lining moves down.
- The receiver lining clutch moves forward.
- Dismantle both halves of the receiver lining.
- The pusher of the gas mechanism is pushed back, the piston is removed from the chamber, and the pusher is removed along with the spring.
In conclusion
The domestic Tiger-308 carbines, reviews of which are given above, are an adapted civilian version of the Dragunov rifle. Users note the high reliability of weapons from Izhevsk designers, the ability to conduct aimed shooting at a distance of 300 to 800 meters. Despite some shortcomings characteristic of “alterations”, the weapon in question has an optimal combination of price and quality indicators.
We must start with the understanding that during their development the goal was not to create a purely sniper rifle and the suitability of the weapon for offhand shooting. However, it is the combination of these two mutually exclusive approaches that makes the Tiger rifle a very practical and versatile civilian weapon.
Of course, a “remake” of a military product does not fit well into the concept of a weapon for hunting.
The popularity of the Tiger rifle among hunters is due to its simplicity and reliability, as well as the extreme perfection of its design. In contrast to overly complex imported systems, the SVD sniper model confirms the talent of designers who managed to create a simple and at the same time the most reliable and technologically advanced weapon.
The history of the appearance of the Tiger hunting rifle
In 1963, the outdated model - the three-line sniper - was replaced by a self-discharge sniper rifle developed by E. Dragunov. This was preceded by a competition to create similar weapons for the Soviet army.
Before going into mass production, the Dragunov rifle went through all stages of field testing, including combat. The first trial batch of weapons of this type was produced in 1963 in the amount of 200 units. Subsequent serial production from 1964 was entrusted to the IZHMASH plant.
Since that time, the SVD carbine has served as the standard for sniper weapons, which expanded the territorial boundaries of its use; the rifle was adopted by the armies of many countries.
The tiger carbine appeared in the late 1970s - it is a hunting modification of the Dragunov army rifle. These weapons use the same inexpensive rifle cartridges, but loaded with semi-jacketed bullets. The rifle is used for hunting purposes (for large and medium-sized animals) regardless of climatic conditions. Its main characteristics: increased shooting accuracy, reliability, ease of operation and fairly light weight.
Today, the weapon is presented in two versions: “Tiger”, as well as the export version “Tiger-1”, created in 1996. The self-loading hunting rifle uses a 7.62x53/54R caliber cartridge with a semi-jacketed bullet weighing 13 g.
Specifications:
- Cartridge – 7, 62mm;
- The bullet weighs 13 g;
- The bullet develops a speed of 730 m/sec;
- Sighting range (open sight) 300 m;
- The magazine holds (cartridges) 5 pcs., 10 pcs.;
- The overall length of the rifle is 1200 mm;
- Total weight 3.9 kg
- PSO-1 sniper optics are used.
Structural characteristics of the Tiger carbine
Reloading the carbine in the "automatic" mode is carried out by using the energy coming from the powder gases discharged from the barrel channel directly into the gas chamber, as well as energy resulting from the return of the springs. The bolt is locked onto 3 lugs by rotating around its axis as a result of the frame sliding. Shooting is carried out with single shots. The right side of the receiver is equipped with a safety catch. Chrome plating was applied to the bore and chamber. The drummer is spring loaded.
The material for the manufacture of the butt and barrel linings can be wood or impact-resistant plastic. The wooden butt has a rubber butt pad.
The open sight design combines an aiming bar and a front sight, adjustable in two planes, with a firing range of up to 300 m.
The left side of the barrel box has a unified base designed for mounting sighting optics. The optical sight does not need to be removed in case of targeted shooting through an open sight.
Tiger carbine barrel manufacturing technology
Barrels for SVD and Tigers are manufactured using a unique technology. The barrel blank is deeply drilled under high oil pressure, after which the bore is polished using an electric discharge.
The next stage is electroerosion. It happens like this: the barrel blank is placed in a special solution, and a tool is inserted into the channel, setting the shape of future rifling. Precise rifled lines are applied to the smooth surface of the barrel due to the action of an electric discharge. In simple terms, we can say that excess metal is simply “washed out”, thereby forming rifling. This is the uniqueness of the technological process used in Dragunov rifles.
Subsequently, the outer surface of the barrel is subjected to turning and heat treatment. The final operation is chrome plating of the barrel bore, which is not typical in the manufacture of sniper barrels.
The accuracy of fire makes it possible to use the SVD and Tiger rifles as precision hunting weapons. The average accuracy for them is 50-60 mm per 100 m, while the standard for accuracy is 80 mm.
The barrel of the SVD and long Tiger rifle has a length of 620 mm, and the short barrel of the Tiger is 530 mm. The barrel life declared by the manufacturers is 6000 shots.
Tiger carbines: modifications for cartridges
- The Tiger carbine is chambered for the 7.62x54R caliber;
- The Tiger-308 carbine is designed for caliber (7.62x51) 308Win;
- The Tiger-30-06 carbine is designed for a cartridge with a caliber (7.62x63) 30-06Sprg;
- The Tiger-9 carbine is designed for the 9.3x64 caliber cartridge.
Variations in butt designs:
- Orthopedic, made of wood (has a cutout for the thumb);
- Hunting (characterized by a hook pulled back slightly for release);
- Plastic, made according to the OVD type (equipped with a rotating cheekpiece, facilitating convenient shooting with an optical sight);
- Folding (the tubular metal stock and at the same time the pistol grip fold on the right side). Equipped with a rotating cheekpiece, facilitating convenient shooting with an optical sight. The folded stock reduces the length of the carbine by 260 mm.
Variations in front sight base designs:
- With long cylindrical flame arrester;
- With short conical flame arrester;
- No flame arrester.
In the standard version, the rifle is equipped with a cleaning rod, an accessory in a pencil case and an oil can. Upon request, the carbine is equipped with optics for a sight with a bracket, a special case and a belt.
Video: Tiger rifle shooting
The Tiger carbine remains one of the best domestically produced semi-automatic weapons today. Among its advantages are sufficient accuracy and ease of use. The rifle instills confidence in the owner and confirms the glory of the sniper rifle, which has become the most popular in the history of mankind.
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Of course, no one will argue that remakes of military production are completely unsuitable by their very concept as hunting weapons, and it is always better what was created specifically in targeted projects. However, like AKM-oid carbines such as Saiga, Vepr and others, the Tiger is for the most part a tribute to the military conscription past of every Russian hunter, the mentality of the nation, and the current lack of its own sane hunting weapons production in Russia in this class.
But it is precisely the simplicity and reliability of our carbines, their ultimate design, that primarily attracts the domestic hunter. The excessive complexity of imported weapons once again makes us recall the axiom of weapons designers - the most difficult thing is to create a simple, and therefore reliable and most technologically advanced system. And since two unique technologies are used in the production of SVDs, this makes itself felt for any purpose of this weapon. The only question is why you need it.
The history of the creation of the Tiger hunting rifle
Evgeniy Dragunov's self-loading sniper rifle replaced the outdated three-line sniper rifle back in 1963. The need for such weapons has been recognized for a long time. And in 1958, the GRAU of the General Staff of the SA announced a competition to create a self-loading sniper rifle for the Soviet Army, formulating difficultly compatible requirements in the terms of reference.
The military's demands were strict and included the following: the rifle must be chambered for a standard three-line cartridge, self-loading, not inferior in reliability to the AKM, have a replaceable box magazine for 10 rounds, and in terms of weight and size parameters correspond to a three-line sniper. It must be taken into account that the SVD is not a sniper rifle in the full sense; its main purpose is to increase the effective fire range of a motorized rifle squad to 600 m and provide the necessary rifle support. The accuracy characteristic of a police or sporting rifle was not initially included in the SVD, and this must be understood when planning to use the Tiger for accurate shooting at maximum distances.
Dragunov was able to successfully combine excellent shooting accuracy, maneuverability and maximum resistance to adverse combat conditions in the new rifle created under his leadership. The production of the rifle was located at IZHMASH. To this day, the SVD remains a tool that allows solving standard sniper tasks in combined arms combat.
The main part of the automatic rifle is the bolt frame, which receives the effects of powder gases through a separate gas piston and pusher. Automation parts have a low mass and low energy in extreme positions, which ensures minimal deflection of the rifle when fired and quick restoration of aiming. The reloading handle is integral with the bolt frame. Rifle return mechanism with two coil springs. The trigger mechanism allows only single fire. Flag fuse, double action. It simultaneously locks the trigger and limits rearward movement of the bolt carrier. The trigger is assembled in a separate removable housing and ensures that a shot is fired only when the bolt is completely locked. It is generally impossible to assemble the SVD incorrectly, which is an important factor. When all the cartridges in the magazine are used up, the shutter is delayed.
Hunting carbine TIGER- a hunting modification of the famous army Dragunov rifle (SVD). The Tiger uses the same inexpensive rifle cartridges, only equipped with semi-jacketed bullets, and are marked “7.62x54 R”. "Tiger" and "Tiger-1"- a self-loading hunting carbine of 7.62 mm caliber chambered for the 7.62x53 (7.62x54R) hunting cartridge with a semi-jacketed bullet weighing 13 g. According to the passport, it is intended for hunting medium and large animals.
The Tiger carbine appeared in the late 70s. Prototypes of the carbine were created under the leadership of E.F. Dragunov in 1969. The basic model was the famous domestic Dragunov rifle - SVD. It is manufactured in two modifications: “Tiger” and “Tiger-1”. In 1996, an export (Americanized) version of the Tiger-1 was created.
Design of the Tiger hunting rifle
The Tiger self-loading carbine is as unpretentious as its parent (SVD), easy to operate and clean. The rate of fire and automation are not satisfactory. I was very pleased with the opportunity to fire from an open sight without removing the optics.
But during actual operation, not everything turned out to be so rosy:
- army sight PSO-1 - turned out to be not suitable for hunting needs;
- orthopedic butt - very inconvenient for a hunter;
- the first version of the “Tiger” was made with plastic linings on the forend, this of course makes the design of the carbine easier, but shooting in the cold threatens frostbite on your fingers, and they creak in the cold;
- the absence of a flame arrester as such makes it blind when fired at dusk.
According to the legislation of a number of countries (USA, England, France), the import of weapons that have an external resemblance to combat systems is prohibited. In the USA, for example, imported long-barreled firearms must not have two of the following features of a military weapon: a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, a bayonet attachment point, ventilation holes in the barrel linings, the front sight must only be open, the digitization of the sighting bar must be more than 5 divisions.Therefore, when in 1996 the question of lifting restrictions (introduced in 1993) on the export of Russian sporting and hunting weapons to the American market was once again raised, a new export version of the Tiger was prepared.
Manufacturers of the carbine took into account the requirements of foreign legislation and numerous complaints from their own consumers, and released another modification of the Tiger, calling it "Tiger-1".
The carbine has been modified more thoroughly:
- universal side mounts have appeared for most hunting optical sights;
- added a muzzle brake-flash suppressor, which quite significantly reduces recoil and blinding from the flash;
- the butt was changed, a “pistol grip” was added, a comb on top for easier aiming;
- expanded the possibilities of moving the front sight when sighting.
"Tiger" carbines have modifications for the following cartridges (all modifications can also be produced in a non-self-loading version):
- Tiger Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 7.62x54R;
- Tiger-308 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 308Win (7.62x51);
- Tiger-30-06 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 30-06Sprg (7.62x63)
- Tiger-9 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 9.3x64 cartridge.
The characteristics of the cartridges used are given in the table. To ensure safety when shooting, only certified cartridges should be used.
Automatic reloading of the carbine occurs due to the energy of the powder gases removed from the barrel bore into the gas chamber, and the energy of the return springs. The bolt is locked onto three lugs by rotating the bolt around its axis while sliding the frame longitudinally. The hammer-type trigger mechanism ensures the production of single shots and setting the safety.
The flag-type fuse is located on the right side of the receiver. The trigger mechanism is made detachable. The bore and chamber are chrome plated. The drummer is spring loaded.
The butt and receiver linings are made of wood (walnut, beech, birch) or impact-resistant plastic. Wooden stock with rubber butt.
The open sight consists of an aiming bar and a front sight that is adjustable in two planes. The aimed shooting range with an open sight is 300m.
On the left side of the carbine receiver there is a unified base for mounting an optical sight. Targeted shooting from an open sight can be carried out without removing the optical sight.
The technology for manufacturing SVD and Tiger barrels is unique and is not used anywhere else. First, the barrel blank undergoes deep drilling under high oil pressure. After which the resulting channel is subjected to double scanning. The resulting smooth channel is further polished using an electric discharge.
After which comes the most interesting stage in the manufacture of a barrel for the Tiger: electrical erosion. The barrel blank is placed in a special solution. A tool with an exact copy of the rifling is inserted into the channel. Under the influence of an electric discharge, the smooth surface of the barrel bore acquires an exact copy of the geometry of the tool. Figuratively speaking, the “extra” metal is “washed out”, forming rifling. Of course, it is difficult to imagine how so much metal can be removed in this way, but this is the uniqueness of the technology.
An almost finished barrel, with rifling already formed, is subjected to turning of the outer surface, where it is given the desired geometry. This is followed by heat treatment of the barrel. Then the barrel bore undergoes an operation unusual for sniper barrels - chrome plating.
Only lazy people haven’t written about the negative role of chrome coating, but for military weapons, a chrome-plated barrel bore greatly makes life easier for a soldier. Moreover, individual copies of SVD and Tigers issue “minute” groups without any problems, which is more than enough for weapons of this class. In any case, despite the accuracy standard of 80 mm at 100 m, the average results of the SVD and the Tiger at this distance are 50-60 mm. More than enough for hunting.
The rifle barrel has 4 grooves. The rifling stroke length is 240 or 320 mm. The barrel length of the SVD and the long Tiger is 620 mm. “Short” “Tigers” have a 530 mm barrel. The barrel life is stated to be 6000 shots.
Modifications of the Tiger hunting rifle
Tiger with folding stock, Tiger with hunting stock, Tiger with plastic stock, Tiger-308, Tiger-9
Tiger Self-loading hunting carbine with an orthopedic butt and wooden barrel guards
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Tiger in Spanish 01 A carbine with a plastic butt of the “SVD type” with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic linings.
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Tiger in Spanish 02 A carbine with a folding metal stock “SVDS type” with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic or wooden pads.
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Tiger in Spanish 03 A carbine with a hunting wooden butt and wooden or plastic pads.
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Tiger isp.05 The carbine, made in a design that is as close as possible to the appearance of the SVD rifle, is equipped with a plywood butt with a detachable cheekpiece, plywood barrel linings with ventilation holes, a gas tube with a regulator, a 1200 m sighting bar, and a front sight base with an extended flash suppressor.
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Tiger-308 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for the popular 308Win cartridge (7.62x51) with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel guards.
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Tiger-308 isp. 01 Carbine with a stationary hunting butt and wooden overlays.
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Tiger-308 isp. 02 A carbine with a buttstock with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic linings.
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Tiger-308 isp. 03 A carbine with a control handle, with a folding metal stock of the SVDS type with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic linings.
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Tiger-30-06 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 30-06Sprg (7.62x63) with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel guards.
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Tiger-30-06 isp.01 A carbine with a hunting stock and wooden barrel linings.
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Tiger-30-06 isp.02 A carbine with a plastic butt with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic barrel linings.
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Tiger-9 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 9.3x64 cartridge with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel linings. Magazine capacity
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Tiger-9Spanish 02 A carbine with a stationary butt with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic linings.
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Carbines of all modifications have different versions of the main components.
Butt design options:
- Orthopedic wooden stock (with thumb cutout);
- Hunting stock. In this case, the trigger is made slightly pulled back;
- Plastic stock of the OVD type. For ease of shooting from an optical sight, there is a rotating cheekpiece;
- Right side folding tubular metal stock and pistol grip. The buttstock is equipped with a rotating cheekpiece for convenience when shooting from an optical sight. The length of the carbine with the stock folded is reduced by 260 mm.
- Wooden hunting;
- Plastic;
- With long cylindrical flame arrester;
- With short conical flame arrester;
- No flame arrester.
The mandatory delivery set for carabiners includes: a cleaning rod, accessories in a pencil case, and an oiler. By special order, carbines can be equipped with an optical sight with a bracket, as well as a case and a belt.
Technical characteristics of carbines
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Caliber, mm | 7,62 | 7,62 | 9 |
Cartridge used | 7.62x54R | .308 Win(7.62x51) | 9.3x64 |
Barrel length, mm* | 530 | 565 | 565 |
Overall length of the carabiner, mm | 1100...1200 | 1100...1200 | 1100...1200 |
Weight of carbine with empty magazine, kg | 3,9 | 3,95 | 3,95 |
Store capacity, pcs. cartridges | 5 or 10 | 10 | 5 |
Note:* By special order, carbines can be supplied with an extended (620 mm) barrel.
Characteristics of cartridges
Cartridge designation | Bullet weight, g | Initial bullet speed, m/s | Muzzle energy, J |
7.62x54R | 13,2 | 720...780 | ~3600 |
.308Win (7.62x51) | 9,7...11,7 | 870...800 | ~3700 |
9.3x64 | 16...19 | 820...780 | ~5800 |
Of course, no one will argue that remakes of military production are completely unsuitable by their very concept as hunting weapons, and it is always better what was created specifically in targeted projects. However, like AKM-oid carbines such as Saiga, Vepr and others, the Tiger is for the most part a tribute to the military conscription past of every Russian hunter, the mentality of the nation, and the current lack of its own sane hunting weapons production in Russia in this class.
But it is precisely the simplicity and reliability of our carbines, their ultimate design, that primarily attracts the domestic hunter. The excessive complexity of imported weapons once again makes us recall the axiom of weapons designers - the most difficult thing is to create a simple, and therefore reliable and most technologically advanced system. And since two unique technologies are used in the production of SVDs, this makes itself felt for any purpose of this weapon. The only question is why you need it.
The history of the creation of the Tiger hunting rifle
Evgeniy Dragunov's self-loading sniper rifle replaced the outdated three-line sniper rifle back in 1963. The need for such weapons has been recognized for a long time. And in 1958, the GRAU of the General Staff of the SA announced a competition to create a self-loading sniper rifle for the Soviet Army, formulating difficultly compatible requirements in the terms of reference.
The military's demands were strict and included the following: the rifle must be chambered for a standard three-line cartridge, self-loading, not inferior in reliability to the AKM, have a replaceable box magazine for 10 rounds, and in terms of weight and size parameters correspond to a three-line sniper. It must be taken into account that the SVD is not a sniper rifle in the full sense; its main purpose is to increase the effective fire range of a motorized rifle squad to 600 m and provide the necessary rifle support. The accuracy characteristic of a police or sporting rifle was not initially included in the SVD, and this must be understood when planning to use the Tiger for accurate shooting at maximum distances.
Dragunov was able to successfully combine excellent shooting accuracy, maneuverability and maximum resistance to adverse combat conditions in the new rifle created under his leadership. The production of the rifle was located at IZHMASH. To this day, the SVD remains a tool that allows solving standard sniper tasks in combined arms combat.
The main part of the automatic rifle is the bolt frame, which receives the effects of powder gases through a separate gas piston and pusher. Automation parts have a low mass and low energy in extreme positions, which ensures minimal deflection of the rifle when fired and quick restoration of aiming. The reloading handle is integral with the bolt frame. Rifle return mechanism with two coil springs. The trigger mechanism allows only single fire. Flag fuse, double action. It simultaneously locks the trigger and limits rearward movement of the bolt carrier. The trigger is assembled in a separate removable housing and ensures that a shot is fired only when the bolt is completely locked. It is generally impossible to assemble the SVD incorrectly, which is an important factor. When all the cartridges in the magazine are used up, the shutter is delayed.
Hunting carbine TIGER- a hunting modification of the famous army Dragunov rifle (SVD). The Tiger uses the same inexpensive rifle cartridges, only equipped with semi-jacketed bullets, and are marked “7.62x54 R”. "Tiger" and "Tiger-1"- a self-loading hunting carbine of 7.62 mm caliber chambered for the 7.62x53 (7.62x54R) hunting cartridge with a semi-jacketed bullet weighing 13 g. According to the passport, it is intended for hunting medium and large animals.
The Tiger carbine appeared in the late 70s. Prototypes of the carbine were created under the leadership of E.F. Dragunov in 1969. The basic model was the famous domestic Dragunov rifle - SVD. It is manufactured in two modifications: “Tiger” and “Tiger-1”. In 1996, an export (Americanized) version of the Tiger-1 was created.
Design of the Tiger hunting rifle
The Tiger self-loading carbine is as unpretentious as its parent (SVD), easy to operate and clean. The rate of fire and automation are not satisfactory. I was very pleased with the opportunity to fire from an open sight without removing the optics.
But during actual operation, not everything turned out to be so rosy:
- army sight PSO-1 - turned out to be not suitable for hunting needs;
- orthopedic butt - very inconvenient for a hunter;
- the first version of the “Tiger” was made with plastic linings on the forend, this of course makes the design of the carbine easier, but shooting in the cold threatens frostbite on your fingers, and they creak in the cold;
- the absence of a flame arrester as such makes it blind when fired at dusk.
According to the legislation of a number of countries (USA, England, France), the import of weapons that have an external resemblance to combat systems is prohibited. In the USA, for example, imported long-barreled firearms must not have two of the following features of a military weapon: a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, a bayonet attachment point, ventilation holes in the barrel linings, the front sight must only be open, the digitization of the sighting bar must be more than 5 divisions.Therefore, when in 1996 the question of lifting restrictions (introduced in 1993) on the export of Russian sporting and hunting weapons to the American market was once again raised, a new export version of the Tiger was prepared.
Manufacturers of the carbine took into account the requirements of foreign legislation and numerous complaints from their own consumers, and released another modification of the Tiger, calling it "Tiger-1".
The carbine has been modified more thoroughly:
- universal side mounts have appeared for most hunting optical sights;
- added a muzzle brake-flash suppressor, which quite significantly reduces recoil and blinding from the flash;
- the butt was changed, a “pistol grip” was added, a comb on top for easier aiming;
- expanded the possibilities of moving the front sight when sighting.
"Tiger" carbines have modifications for the following cartridges (all modifications can also be produced in a non-self-loading version):
- Tiger Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 7.62x54R;
- Tiger-308 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 308Win (7.62x51);
- Tiger-30-06 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 30-06Sprg (7.62x63)
- Tiger-9 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 9.3x64 cartridge.
The characteristics of the cartridges used are given in the table. To ensure safety when shooting, only certified cartridges should be used.
Automatic reloading of the carbine occurs due to the energy of the powder gases removed from the barrel bore into the gas chamber, and the energy of the return springs. The bolt is locked onto three lugs by rotating the bolt around its axis while sliding the frame longitudinally. The hammer-type trigger mechanism ensures the production of single shots and setting the safety.
The flag-type fuse is located on the right side of the receiver. The trigger mechanism is made detachable. The bore and chamber are chrome plated. The drummer is spring loaded.
The butt and receiver linings are made of wood (walnut, beech, birch) or impact-resistant plastic. Wooden stock with rubber butt.
The open sight consists of an aiming bar and a front sight that is adjustable in two planes. The aimed shooting range with an open sight is 300m.
On the left side of the carbine receiver there is a unified base for mounting an optical sight. Targeted shooting from an open sight can be carried out without removing the optical sight.
The technology for manufacturing SVD and Tiger barrels is unique and is not used anywhere else. First, the barrel blank undergoes deep drilling under high oil pressure. After which the resulting channel is subjected to double scanning. The resulting smooth channel is further polished using an electric discharge.
After which comes the most interesting stage in the manufacture of a barrel for the Tiger: electrical erosion. The barrel blank is placed in a special solution. A tool with an exact copy of the rifling is inserted into the channel. Under the influence of an electric discharge, the smooth surface of the barrel bore acquires an exact copy of the geometry of the tool. Figuratively speaking, the “extra” metal is “washed out”, forming rifling. Of course, it is difficult to imagine how so much metal can be removed in this way, but this is the uniqueness of the technology.
An almost finished barrel, with rifling already formed, is subjected to turning of the outer surface, where it is given the desired geometry. This is followed by heat treatment of the barrel. Then the barrel bore undergoes an operation unusual for sniper barrels - chrome plating.
Only lazy people haven’t written about the negative role of chrome coating, but for military weapons, a chrome-plated barrel bore greatly makes life easier for a soldier. Moreover, individual copies of SVD and Tigers issue “minute” groups without any problems, which is more than enough for weapons of this class. In any case, despite the accuracy standard of 80 mm at 100 m, the average results of the SVD and the Tiger at this distance are 50-60 mm. More than enough for hunting.
The rifle barrel has 4 grooves. The rifling stroke length is 240 or 320 mm. The barrel length of the SVD and the long Tiger is 620 mm. “Short” “Tigers” have a 530 mm barrel. The barrel life is stated to be 6000 shots.
Modifications of the Tiger hunting rifle
Tiger with folding stock, Tiger with hunting stock, Tiger with plastic stock, Tiger-308, Tiger-9
Tiger Self-loading hunting carbine with an orthopedic butt and wooden barrel guards
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Tiger in Spanish 01 A carbine with a plastic butt of the “SVD type” with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic linings.
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Tiger in Spanish 02 A carbine with a folding metal stock “SVDS type” with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic or wooden pads.
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Tiger in Spanish 03 A carbine with a hunting wooden butt and wooden or plastic pads.
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Tiger isp.05 The carbine, made in a design that is as close as possible to the appearance of the SVD rifle, is equipped with a plywood butt with a detachable cheekpiece, plywood barrel linings with ventilation holes, a gas tube with a regulator, a 1200 m sighting bar, and a front sight base with an extended flash suppressor.
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Tiger-308 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for the popular 308Win cartridge (7.62x51) with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel guards.
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308 Win(7.62x51) |
Tiger-308 isp. 01 Carbine with a stationary hunting butt and wooden overlays.
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308 Win(7.62x51) |
Tiger-308 isp. 02 A carbine with a buttstock with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic linings.
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308 Win(7.62x51) |
Tiger-308 isp. 03 A carbine with a control handle, with a folding metal stock of the SVDS type with a rotating cheekpiece and plastic linings.
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Tiger-30-06 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 30-06Sprg (7.62x63) with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel guards.
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Tiger-30-06 isp.01 A carbine with a hunting stock and wooden barrel linings.
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Tiger-30-06 isp.02 A carbine with a plastic butt with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic barrel linings.
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Tiger-9 Self-loading hunting carbine chambered for 9.3x64 cartridge with an orthopedic stock and wooden barrel linings. Magazine capacity
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565 or 620 Caliber, mm
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Tiger-9Spanish 02 A carbine with a stationary butt with a rotating cheekpiece of the SVD type and plastic linings.
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565 or 620 Caliber, mm
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Carbines of all modifications have different versions of the main components.
Butt design options:
- Orthopedic wooden stock (with thumb cutout);
- Hunting stock. In this case, the trigger is made slightly pulled back;
- Plastic stock of the OVD type. For ease of shooting from an optical sight, there is a rotating cheekpiece;
- Right side folding tubular metal stock and pistol grip. The buttstock is equipped with a rotating cheekpiece for convenience when shooting from an optical sight. The length of the carbine with the stock folded is reduced by 260 mm.
- Wooden hunting;
- Plastic;
- With long cylindrical flame arrester;
- With short conical flame arrester;
- No flame arrester.
The mandatory delivery set for carabiners includes: a cleaning rod, accessories in a pencil case, and an oiler. By special order, carbines can be equipped with an optical sight with a bracket, as well as a case and a belt.
Technical characteristics of carbines
Tiger | Tiger-308 | Tiger-9 | |
Caliber, mm | 7,62 | 7,62 | 9 |
Cartridge used | 7.62x54R | .308 Win(7.62x51) | 9.3x64 |
Barrel length, mm* | 530 | 565 | 565 |
Overall length of the carabiner, mm | 1100...1200 | 1100...1200 | 1100...1200 |
Weight of carbine with empty magazine, kg | 3,9 | 3,95 | 3,95 |
Store capacity, pcs. cartridges | 5 or 10 | 10 | 5 |
Note:* By special order, carbines can be supplied with an extended (620 mm) barrel.
Characteristics of cartridges
Cartridge designation | Bullet weight, g | Initial bullet speed, m/s | Muzzle energy, J |
7.62x54R | 13,2 | 720...780 | ~3600 |
.308Win (7.62x51) | 9,7...11,7 | 870...800 | ~3700 |
9.3x64 | 16...19 | 820...780 | ~5800 |
BOCHARGUN 07-12-2009 19:40
Does anyone have any comments about this carbine? What are your successes in shooting? Which parts of the mechanisms are interchangeable with other predecessors?
om_babai 09-12-2009 01:23
quote: What are your successes in shooting?
Basically mediocre. We shoot, but rarely.
quote: Which parts of the mechanisms are interchangeable with other predecessors?
Why?
Runo222 09-12-2009 05:28
Does anyone have any comments about this carbine? What are your successes in shooting? Which parts of the mechanisms are interchangeable with other predecessors?
And what exactly is there to stonewall?
A normal pistol for hunting, especially good in its unpretentiousness (this was my main selection criterion, since I like 3-4 week forays into the tundra), quite accurate (1 MOA according to the passport from my open one, and with optics and a good cartridge , the result is even better!). I placed six 5-liter bottles of drinking water on the lake for shooting, a distance of 400 meters. Two shots for zeroing, the remaining six are right on target (from the bipod). I repeated the same thing at 600 meters, no problem. Why did he do this? I imitated high-speed shooting at a flock of geese; they wouldn’t let me get any closer. That same evening, I shot at a flock of geese, managed to kill four while they were getting on the wing, and one wounded one was able to take off and get away. Recoil does not prevent you from immediately transferring fire after hitting an adjacent target. That is, it interferes, of course, but not critically. I took two black grouse at the base of their necks in the area of the crops, took them very cleanly, and really liked them. But there were also mistakes, mainly due to our own sluggishness...
What else does a man need to meet old age?
I haven’t shot at any large game yet, except for reindeer and wolverine.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 10:38
(1 MOA according to the passport from mine, but with optics and a good cartridge, the result is even better!). I placed six 5-liter bottles of drinking water on the lake for shooting, a distance of 400 meters. Two shots for zeroing, the remaining six are right on target (from the bipod). I repeated the same thing at 600 meters, no problem.
Mikhail74 09-12-2009 10:51
VAHumpbacked 09-12-2009 10:58
quote: Originally posted by Mikhail74:
1 minute at 600m about 17.5cm.
1 bottle 1 liter 8 centimeters in diameter.
the accuracy of your tiger is 0.45 arc minutes? GREAT-))
PS. The author definitely escaped from show business-))
We're talking about 5 liter.
perstkov 09-12-2009 11:39
quote: We're talking about 5 liter.
Probably 200 liter.....
mixmix 09-12-2009 12:50
How do you measure the distance?
And the cartridge is probably from Barnaul, that’s how they usually shoot...
Your profile says that you work in show business, is it really true?
Think about it, Barnaul. And if you’re lapua, then you won’t be able to get out beyond 10 cm (at 600) (if you’re on friendly terms with the wind)
The tiger at 308 is far superior to the tiger x54 in the heap.
Runo222 09-12-2009 13:30
quote: Originally posted by Tartarin:
How do you measure the distance?
And the cartridge is probably from Barnaul, that’s how they usually shoot...
Runo222 09-12-2009 13:36
Tail by tail!
Mikhail74 my respect for your honesty!
I shake my paw!
Runo222 09-12-2009 13:41
And in order not to listen to any nonsense, here is a photo of a capercaillie beaten clean in the neck at 200 meters, plus a Christmas tree at 30 meters. From your hands, by the way. When you repeat the result, come and discuss your successes.
An eyewitness to this shot was the deputy chairman of the Leningrad region. Name your last name?
Andrey K 09-12-2009 13:56
quote: Originally posted by mixmix:
Tiger at 308 is far superior to Tiger x54 in the bunch
This is how legends are born! (c)..
vano-sha 09-12-2009 14:36
My 54 shoots great, I was scratching my head about the 308, but now I’m using Yurin’s Los-4, after a little tidying up and proper adjustment of the trigger, I didn’t want to have another tiger, but at the beginning when there were slight wedges in the bolt and non-ejection of cartridges, but I figured it out and lowered the carcass the rear screw, the axles on the bolt (as always stuck out and were broken) were taken out and recessed as needed
Runo222 09-12-2009 14:48
Ivan, I’m glad that my Losik makes you happy, I think he will still serve you.
But I didn’t have any jams or misfires... Probably the cartridges are different...
I once bought Barnaul Centaur 243 and 308 for shooting games, but I had a hard time knocking 243 cartridges out of the screw, the 5-mm ramrod was bent! And the 308 constantly alternates between non-ejection and a wedge in the ejector window. SHIT.
The ones from Novosibirsk are pleasing, both 9X53 and 308. Very stable quality.
It's a pity they don't do 243...
Here people doubt the capabilities of the 308 and the Tiger... Tell them how with your bullpup in 9x53 I easily managed a minute at 100 meters, maybe they will stop being sarcastic, and will finally start shooting training, and will understand what is shooting in the end "shooter-rifle-cartridge" complex.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 16:02
quote: Originally posted by Runo222:
Distances... To choose from: Lake Geovid 15X56 SD, Zeiss Victory Diarange 3-12X56, Zeiss Victory Rangefinder 10X56.
You probably thought, finger?
The cartridges are also normal, they are called Norma.
But based on the essence of your posting, I remain skeptical. I believe that the figures you proposed are, at a minimum, not reproducible. At most, they represent an accident and have an indirect relationship to the specific characteristics of the weapon. In other words, I have no doubt that a minute result will not be achieved according to the rules of the Hansa. As well as hitting a target equivalent to a 5L canister at 600 meters with a probability of more than 70%. I base my opinion on my own experience of shooting at the significantly longer distances you indicated.
I would like to specifically note that I have no doubt that it is possible to hit targets at 400 meters with the Tiger.
Dr. Watson 09-12-2009 16:34
quote: Originally posted by Runo222:
Centaur in 243 ... was tortured to knock 243 cartridges out of the screw
Runo222 09-12-2009 16:52
My wife is a master of sports in biathlon, back in the Soviet years. At 48, she still easily knocks out 10 out of 10. Unfortunately, I didn’t reach the master, but biathlon also gave me good training. Therefore, I’ve been shooting for probably 35 years now, and if I’m talking about something, then believe me, I’m not just talking about it and showing off. I just don't need it. The shooting data from the Tiger-308 that I described above is absolutely true, and there is nothing mind-blowing or unique about it. Next year I will try the same thing only with 1-liter bottles and will definitely make a video!!! Maybe for the New Year I’ll treat myself to some whiskey I won.
Runo222 09-12-2009 16:55
quote: Originally posted by Dr. Watson:
The same. Burnt varnish or geometry?
I think that the thickness of the sleeve was weakened. Or the metal is of the wrong brand. In general, it's a complete mess.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 17:05
quote: Originally posted by Runo222:
Next year I will try the same thing only with 1-liter bottles and will definitely make a video!!! Maybe for the New Year I’ll treat myself to some whiskey I won.
Those. whiskey for the New Year, and shooting after?
Something is wrong here. But interesting. What are the terms of the bet?
Runo222 09-12-2009 17:19
quote: Originally posted by Tartarin:
What are the terms of the bet?
Save lave. I'll tell you the brand of whiskey later.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 17:30
The boundary conditions are vague, the video... you get my point. Yes, and it’s advisable to watch the shooting yourself, or one of your friends on the forum watched it.
It won't work. Check the terms and conditions.
Whiskey is serious business
Runo222 09-12-2009 18:02
Things like this don't work that way. The "dark horse" effect disappears.
The day before yesterday we repeated “All-in” - classic!!! Or watch Katala, that’s where it’s spectacular and beautiful!
xwing 09-12-2009 19:18
It's a pity they don't sell them here. I would gladly take a short Tiger in .308 for myself (though I don’t know if they come in short .308). I didn’t shoot it, but I held it in my hands (albeit under 7.62x54) - a very convenient, flexible and agile rifle. Possibly the best hunting semi-automatic of all existing ones.
Runo222 09-12-2009 19:25
It's a pity they don't sell them here. I would gladly take a short Tiger v.308 for myself (pravda ne znaju byvajut li oni korotkie v.308).
How come they don't sell? Smollett in the next branch sells...
With a short barrel and a folding butt, they are rare, but they do exist.
Here's mine in the photo:
ZY I understand why “they don’t sell from you”! Sorry!
xwing 09-12-2009 19:40
There is an agreement signed by Gore and Chernomyrdin, according to which SVD derivatives and some other types of Russian weapons are not imported to the United States. There are Tigers imported before 1993 on sale, but at absolutely outrageous prices - from 2 pieces. Simply because there are few of them.
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 19:53
Guys, tomorrow I’m going to the quarry, I’ll try from 300m and further. I will definitely tell you about successes and failures.
Runo222 09-12-2009 19:59
quote: Originally posted by xwing:
There are Tigers imported before 1993 on sale, but at absolutely outrageous prices - from 2 pieces.
This one cost me $2400 from the factory, so the prices are wild not with you, but with us...
But I’m not particularly worried about this, this Tiger is almost a special order...
The machine works like a clock. In general, I don’t regret it.
Runo222 09-12-2009 20:04
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
Guys, tomorrow I’m going to the quarry, I’ll try from 300m and further.
The main thing is the mood! It is not the gods who burn the pots. Get yourself together, set up your breathing apparatus (it would be a good idea to tune the trigger as well), and you will both shoot and hit.
And listen to the skeptics - so you can climb into a coffin the next day after birth. Why suffer then... The end is inevitable anyway...
Good luck!
ZY What kind of sight with crown do you have? It's hard to find a good crown for Tigra...
vano-sha 09-12-2009 20:30
Damn, my fin is cut with a slope of 20 MOA
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 20:44
A buchnel sight with a translocator from 3 to 8. I will use Barnaul cartridges, by the way, they showed themselves well at a distance of up to 200m, I took lightweight ones with a 9.1gr bullet. My friend tiko223, so he hits the Barnaul bob with a 300m header, I’m a witness.
Runo222 09-12-2009 20:51
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
The lads gave me the bracket, they say my dear ones, I believe them, they have several decades of experience.
Don't believe it! There are no “native” brackets.
Regarding Barnaul - what kind of tiger do you have? 308 or X54?
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 21:06
7.62x51 or win 308
Runo222 09-12-2009 21:10
My Barnaul doesn’t eat... Yes, I don’t insist, in Moscow there is something normal to choose.
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 21:13
We also have a large selection, about 30 species, but it’s very expensive to just go out and shoot others.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 21:17
Well, I was away for a while, and then some splendor began to appear.
Then please make us happy with the targets, and we’ll criticize
Runo222 09-12-2009 21:23
Not a Tatar, not a Frenchman,
Tartarin is the ace of trumps!
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 21:32
Well, how's the bracket?
Tartarin 09-12-2009 21:33
quote: Originally posted by Runo222:
You should give us something to please us with, otherwise we are all too ready to criticize here.
Runo222 09-12-2009 21:35
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
Well, how's the bracket?
It seems like Belarusian... It's not even steel, as far as I remember?
Does the sight look like a Bushnell 3-9X40? It is weak over 300 meters...
Adrien 09-12-2009 22:10
quote: Originally posted by Tartarin:Ok, I apologize for the form of presentation.
As well as hitting a target equivalent to a 5L canister at 600 meters with a probability of more than 70%. I base my opinion on my own experience of shooting at the significantly longer distances you indicated...
Tartarin 09-12-2009 22:19
Because Doc is capable of hitting a 30cm gong at 1000 meters with the first shot of 308 bullets, and I am only 21
Runo222 09-12-2009 22:23
How do you measure everything by yourself?...
I made it clear to you that I ran biathlon with a rifle for 6 years and made it to the CMS.
Do you have shooting sports categories?
Tartarin 09-12-2009 22:27
God forbid I'm an amateur
Runo222 09-12-2009 22:35
We're all amateurs now. Just experience - experience is different.
I think these are the key words.
Experience differs from experience.
It's like the story with driver experience. I once read a survey of drivers from the ZR magazine. So all drivers with 3-5 years of experience called themselves experienced...
Or like in the old "Yeralash" children in kindergarten are asked, "Which of you is the most modest? Everyone shouted in unison - Ya-a-a-a!!!"
Let's finish.
Tartarin 09-12-2009 22:39
As you please.
Runo222 09-12-2009 22:39
quote: Originally posted by Tartarin:
And I don’t really believe in the capabilities of the Tiger equipped with a Saiga barrel
Now I’ll check with Smollett...
Tartarin 09-12-2009 22:43
quote: Originally posted by Runo222:
A very interesting question, by the way! Are you sure?
I’m honest - I didn’t know... All the time I thought that the trunk was my own, a tiger one.
Now I’ll check with Smollett...
I heard that 308 barrels made by electrochemical methods do not last long. They install forged ones, like on Saiga 308.
perstkov 09-12-2009 22:52
quote: Well, how's the bracket?
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 23:33
quote: Originally posted by perstkov:Shit, sorry for the direct answer, but so that you don’t doubt too much the sharpness of my judgment, shake the scope (by taking it by the edges) relative to the carbine left and right, and if it doesn’t shock you, write the result here.
Everything is fine, if you are talking about the “looseness” on the mount, then the clamp on the clamp is adjustable. Moreover, I have already done the shooting and the results satisfy me.
BOCHARGUN 09-12-2009 23:39
quote: Originally posted by Tartarin:I killed this spoon at 300 meters after flint threw out the idea of shooting at spoons. From Tiger Extra, firing 3 shots. Got in second. God knows how long ago it was
Then it became boring for me to hit second and I started shooting from Rem, it’s really not as IR-exclusive as your Tiger, and it’s significantly cheaper
So you have a tiger chambered for the 54th cartridge, judging by the cartridges.
perstkov 09-12-2009 23:45
quote: if you are talking about the "bumpiness" on the mount
I'm talking about the insufficient rigidity of the bracket in the horizontal plane relative to the rifle barrel. If the scope wobbles by 5-6 mm relative to the bore, this is normal. As they say without comment.
Runo222 09-12-2009 23:47
Originally posted by Tartarin:
Easy!
http://img.allzip.org/g/2/orig/2533054.jpg
I killed this spoon at 300 meters after flint threw out the idea of shooting at spoons. From Tiger Extra, firing 3 shots. Got in second. God knows how long ago it was
Then it became boring for me to hit second and I started shooting from Rem, it’s really not as IR-exclusive as your Tiger, and it’s significantly cheaper
So you are refuting yourself! Judging by the hits, your Tiger is capable of a lot. There would be more confidence, and less skepticism, and 600 meters without any problems at all.
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 12:12
Why are you surprised? I remember the respected Doctor Watson smashing bricks at 800
Runo222 10-12-2009 12:16
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
Everything is fine, if you are talking about the “looseness” on the mount, then the clamp on the clamp is adjustable.
I'm afraid that you won't succeed with shooting beyond 300 meters...
Firstly, the crown is not ice, and the sight is clearly rather weak...
I have this scope: http://www.deon.co.jp/march/25X-25X42_tactical.html
and even at 600 meters it’s already at the limit of comfort, vision is no longer the same...
By the way, did I guess the model of your sight?
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 12:18
Yes, you guessed it.
Runo222 10-12-2009 12:23
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
Yes, you guessed it.
So there will still be children!
Adrien 10-12-2009 12:29
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:I know a man who, at 900m, puts all bullets with 54 rounds at 10 cm. But the barrel is treated with an additive from the ceramic company XADO.
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 12:40
quote: Originally posted by Adrien:“No, son, this is fiction.” You still need to know the limits of jokes...
Yes, no, UNCLE, these are not jokes, but a fact. I don’t work part-time as a storyteller. A guy won 300 bucks on a bet. I personally did not see it, but authoritative people testified. Not basota, but serious people who do not mince words.
Adrien 10-12-2009 12:54
“I have an acquaintance who has an acquaintance who told me that he was told...” I have such stories. Well, well...
DC 10-12-2009 12:54
>Not basota, but serious people who don’t mince words.
Of course. These people only throw shitty brackets
>The lads gave me the bracket, they say my dear ones, I believe them, they have several decades of experience.
Our song is good, start over. You are in the wrong section. To your high point Give them some shelobans there and wipe your nose. They haven’t even heard about Hado’s secrets.
BLC 10-12-2009 01:00
Of course, I respect the “striped” one very much, but 0.4MOA at 900 meters...
The number of shots, by the way, is not indicated. "All bullets" is 10?
DC 10-12-2009 01:03
You can always find all of his messages in a member’s profile. And draw some conclusions from this
Adrien 10-12-2009 01:07
That's it. 900 meters will start now, Hado, 10 cm - just a classic
>Not basota, but serious people who don’t mince words...
... To you in high point Give them some shelobans there and wipe your nose. They haven’t even heard about Hado’s secrets.
What are you, what are you. XADO is a CERAMIC company! Now we will also get Shelobans, so that we know and don’t argue in the future!
Tartarin 10-12-2009 01:07
May Lesha Khabarovsk forgive me, I’ll quote again, it’s painfully appropriate:
Petrukha and I went to pastry. He took M. and I took M. They shot into a bucket from 40 steps since Petrukhina’s bathhouse is further away, and if you put a bucket behind it, it won’t be visible. They shot equally, I shot 7 times and Petrukha 5 times because there were no more cartridges, I hit the bucket all the times but Petrukha didn’t. So M. its full g:
But it turned out that not only the bucket was shot, but also the stove in the bathhouse, a barrel of water, and they killed Baba Mani’s goat, which was grazing in Petrukhin’s garden behind the bathhouse. And our blacksmith told how in the army he hit the neck of a bottle at 100 meters with a pistol on a bet and knocked out the bottom, but no one could pop a machine gun and they let him go on leave for that. And the huntsman Palych once killed a hare from the porch of his house from 400 meters, so no one here shoots accurately anymore, but I don’t understand how he shot from 400 meters if from the porch to the forest there are 50 steps? I don’t ask Palych anymore because he gets angry and swears, probably some kind of secret and he doesn’t want to talk, I also want to learn how to shoot so accurately, the current cartridges have run out.
And in the morning a local police officer came, to whom Baba Manya wrote a statement for damage to property in the form of a goat and took away our weapons, and then the wife and children returned from the regional center from Petrukhin’s sister, and saw the bathhouse, and began to beat Petrukha with a rolling pin, and when she broke, she used a poker .
And Baba Manya told Petrukhina’s wife that he was molesting her. Petrukhina’s wife began to cry and left with the children to see their mother across the road. Only Grandma Manya keeps lying, when her goat ate all of Petrukha’s hemp, and Grandma Manya then drank milk from her, she herself painted her lips, wove a blue bow into her hair and winked at Petrukha, only she has one tooth and she’s old, Petrukha and I When we were still at school, her teacher invited her to a class hour and she told how she saw how they received the first tractor on our collective farm after the revolution. Petrukha and I sold that tractor for scrap metal in parts and bought weapons.
And I took Petrukha to the paramedic, because if the local police officer gave us his weapon, we wouldn’t be able to train because Petrukha’s whole head was swollen and both eyes couldn’t see. A new paramedic from the city, a kind one, before they wouldn’t give us medicine to drink with alcohol, but here we have a whole two-liter jar of tincture for compresses.
We took the can and went to Palych, the district police officer is Palych’s son-in-law, and he’s guilty of it, last month Palych told him to kill the pig, so this cowboy, in order not to get dirty, hit it with his pistol, he hit it, but he didn’t care , she just screamed with her head, knocked out a hole in the fence and ran into the forest, Petrukha, Palych and I caught her for two days, but she didn’t give in, we drove her into the swamp and she drowned. Here's a pistol:
And the district police officer then apologized to Palych three times, but Palych drank it all and didn’t forgive him. And we came and told Palych that we were training to shoot accurately like him, then Palych fell apart and said that we were doing everything right and he would take our weapon from the bastard son-in-law.
And Palych had tractor driver Mityai, we used the tincture and Mityai told him how in the army (and Petrukha and I didn’t serve, I have flat feet and he already had three children when the summons came, Palych told him that two would be enough, but why is Petrukha too much? did) served in a secret border unit, and at the same time a Soviet-Brazilian secret border conflict occurred.
There were thousands of Brazilians, all with M-16s, and there were only a hundred and fifty of ours, and many of them were pioneers*, only ours had machine guns and how could they mow down the Brazilians, and those with their M-16s only wounded ours. But the Brazilians kept pushing, and if ours wounded one of them, they screamed “Banzai” and ripped open their stomachs with knives so as not to be captured. These are such evil creatures, and I thought they were playing football.
And then ours repulsed their attack, only many of ours died, and the Brazilians took the DPNK** prisoner and locked him up in the BUR*** and he was tortured by the Brazilian Gestapo, but he didn’t tell them anything (and I thought it’s good that the Brazilian Gestapo didn’t Petrukhin’s wife works, otherwise he would have told something he never knew).
And the general approached Mityai and said that even though the DPNK is a bastard, he needs to be saved, and since everyone is wounded and there are only five cartridges left, he cannot trust this to anyone except Mityai. And he gave Mityai a secret sniper rifle with an astronomical telescope sight, and Mityai put down the entire guard with five shots, saved the DPNK and carried him out on his shoulders and laid him, barely alive, in front of the general.
And he took off the golden order from his chest and awarded Mityai, and then one Brazilian with a ripped open belly, in the last second of his life, raised his M-16 and shot at Mityai, and the bullet hit the order, it shattered into small pieces, and Mitya doesn’t give a damn, Now, if he had fired from our machine gun, Mityai said that they would have killed him.
And in honor of his miraculous salvation and feat, Mityai pinned a jumping tiger on his chest, a church with seven domes on his back, sailboats on his feet and crosses on his hands. And he can only tell about this story today since the certificate of secrecy has expired. Petrukha and I were simply stunned, well, who cares what kind of heroes we live next to.
And here is the same ordinary tiger. 308 (barrel 565), consistently made 3-3.5 cm per hundred square meters, with domestic barnas. From this it was concluded that if you use GOOD factory import.308, then the results will be higher. (308 barrel is thicker if that matters)
So there is something to compare with.
r.s. We are only talking about those barrels that are available and that are constantly being used.
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 02:15
Guys bought for what they sold for. There will be an opportunity, there will be proof. And you’re a fine fellow to chatter, Zadornov is resting, or maybe you’re writing monologues to him, huh??????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 02:20
quote: shitty brackets
For a bad dancer, you know what's stopping you. But the bracket was donated by completely different people.
By the way, if you are such a pro, maybe you can call him and shoot. Can I help you get in touch?
Tartarin 10-12-2009 02:24
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
And you are a good fellow to chatter,
Chatter?
The author of this monologue, born of the ancient topic “Three against the Mauser”, last winter from a rifle made by Gennady Mikhailovich aka Glukhar, chopped three-liter cans of juice at 1500 meters. This is what articles have been written about and there are films about, and here on the forum. I believe him, because I can generally imagine how he approaches the shot. This is not good for you..
Tartarin 10-12-2009 02:27
And the crown is really G. What can we do...
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 02:34
I don’t question the achievements of others, because I don’t worry about proof. I think if you want to find the answer, then look objectively. Our grandfathers even used Mosin rifles with weak optics to shoot at long distances. So a lot of things are really important experience. When one person said that the earth was round, everyone thought he was an idiot. So it would be right not to ridicule or speak in opposition, otherwise we will not move so far away from our politicians.
The number of shots, by the way, is not indicated. "All bullets" is 10?
I completely agree.
And it’s not even a matter of stripes.... Here you need the appropriate optics on the right bracket, and the shooter’s ability to work with ballistic calculations...
In short, I don't believe it. About all sorts of lubricants too. This is all their realm of fantasy, alas...
vano-sha 10-12-2009 09:07
rws diamond is only covered with grease, the rest is bullshit
Runo222 10-12-2009 09:41
I actually took the 243 caliber, but for some reason it didn’t fly...
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 15:16
quote: And here is the same ordinary tiger. 308 (barrel 565), consistently made 3-3.5 cm per hundred square meters, domestic barnaso
We went to the quarry today and managed to shoot, only two hundred, then the ridge ends, there is no protection from the wind, and the wind rose strong and gusty. The accuracy is worse, somewhere around 4.5-5 cm. By the way, how much does the 8x PSO cost with your bracket?
DC 10-12-2009 15:37
Let's clarify.
If I understand correctly, you shot your Tiger today, with the mount and scope shown, at 200 meters in a quarry in strong and gusty winds. At the same time, we obtained an accuracy of 4.5-5 cm at 200 meters.
Is everything right? If yes, allow me a few clarifying questions.
What cartridge was used? How many shots are there in a series? How many episodes have you made? How did you measure the distance of 200 meters?
Please note, I did not question your statements, but if you show me the targets, I will be very grateful to you
vano-sha 10-12-2009 16:55
at 100 meters I generally shoot with a diopter sight, but the tiger is 54, I posted pictures
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 19:16
quote: quarry in strong and gusty winds
180m exactly, I didn’t measure it, everyone is shooting there. At this distance, the wind almost never hits the cliff on one side and the embankment on the other. In place of the target I used regular Whatman paper and a thick marker, unfortunately I left it in place.
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 19:19
quote: diopter sight
Diopter, how and where is it installed on a tiger?
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 20:12
quote: diopter sight
Can I have a photo from the back?
Tartarin 10-12-2009 23:13
quote: Originally posted by DC:
Let's clarify.
No need to clarify. We must give the person a chance to understand for himself what he wrote. If he is really interested in all this, he will understand over time. If not, let him, illusions, then illusions.
BOCHARGUN 10-12-2009 23:50
quote: No need to clarify. We must give the person a chance to understand for himself what he wrote. If he is really interested in all this, he will understand over time. If not, let him, illusions, then illusions.
Wisely said, I must pay tribute, until this moment I doubted your sincerity - I repent. MEN WILL NOT REFUSE INSTRUCTION IN WISE ADVICE. I'm on the forum to find out more. Thanks in advance.
DC 11-12-2009 12:00
Buy a good bracket.
Search here by -
- Rassolov bracket
Choose a cartridge. Buy a little of everything available, shoot, choose the best that flies.
mixmix 11-12-2009 12:54
quote: Originally posted by DC:
Buy a good bracket.
Search here by -
- Rassolov bracket
- Bracket from the Armory Yard (Jiyin)
- Kalugin bracket (drawings available)
Choose a cartridge. Buy a little of everything available, shoot, choose the best that flies.
Yab added. Replace the sight, PSO is picky about the monotonous tab.
BOCHARGUN 12-12-2009 16:37
So should I buy PSO, if so, by how much?
Jiyin 12-12-2009 20:24
Well, as far as I remember, PSO was issued only in four editions. The rest of the PSO-like ones are POSPs.
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mixmix 12-12-2009 22:15
quote: Originally posted by BOCHARGUN:
So should I buy PSO, if so, by how much?
Holy, holy, holy.....
Better yet, Leapers Anschutz series.
- Biography Ferdinand Foch short biography
- Isaev I.F., Mishchenko A.I., Shiyanov E.N. Pedagogy - file n1.doc. Slastenin V.A. Methods of educational work - file n1.doc Slastenin in pedagogy m academy
- Tax accounting of government institutions The procedure for calculating tax and advance payments
- Reinstatement at work by order of the labor inspectorate